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Post by Admin on Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:21 am

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The Dropsied Koi Babe who recovered somewhat has deteriorated with what looks like an Ovarian Tumour Crying or Very sad but could be a fluid filled cyst ?

I`m ruling out Dystocia due to the shape the swelling has manifested ....

I will probably lose her very soon Crying or Very sad and was contemplating surgery affraid

I don`t have a scalpel or sutures yet ... has anyone bought these ready made ?


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Post by DaveB on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:20 am

Yes a few years ago one of my koi split its tail from just behind the body downwards. A very nasty wound. I thought I would loose her. This was at a time when I worked away from home so a few days prior to leaving home for a month. I popped down to the vets and asked for thier advice. I was actually given a ready made up suture already attached to the needle. The vet explained that it was the type that would not rot away and would require removal sometime in the future. He then showed me how to do the stiches too. ( But can't remember how)When I asked him what was the cost. As I also use him for my dog , he was quite interested to see how I got along and it was free.

I then went home and anesthatised the koi and found it difficult to get it right. Afterwards I thought it would have been better if I practiced a bit first. Anyway when the koi came round she was not too pleased that something was attached to her tail and vigorously swam around for quite awhile. However she eventually settled down.

I returned one month later and again under anesthetic removed what was left of the stiches. amazing really as you cannot tell , however I have not always been this lucky. Not sure if this is what your after, but hope this is of some help. Best Regards Dave
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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by Admin on Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:50 am

DaveB wrote:Yes a few years ago one of my koi split its tail from just behind the body downwards. A very nasty wound. I thought I would loose her. This was at a time when I worked away from home so a few days prior to leaving home for a month. I popped down to the vets and asked for thier advice. I was actually given a ready made up suture already attached to the needle. The vet explained that it was the type that would not rot away and would require removal sometime in the future. He then showed me how to do the stiches too. ( But can't remember how)When I asked him what was the cost. As I also use him for my dog , he was quite interested to see how I got along and it was free.

I then went home and anesthatised the koi and found it difficult to get it right. Afterwards I thought it would have been better if I practiced a bit first. Anyway when the koi came round she was not too pleased that something was attached to her tail and vigorously swam around for quite awhile. However she eventually settled down.

I returned one month later and again under anesthetic removed what was left of the stiches. amazing really as you cannot tell , however I have not always been this lucky. Not sure if this is what your after, but hope this is of some help. Best Regards Dave

Do you remember what size the suture was Dave ?

For fish the synthetic monofilament material is the least reactive and less likely to become infected.

Did the vet give you a length of suture on the needle ?

If I put her under ? I only want to make a small incision initially to see what I`m dealing with following aspirating with a syringe a little first.

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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by HAN on Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:30 am

Check this out chi.


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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by Admin on Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:08 am

HAN wrote:Check this out chi.



Scary affraid

Maurice Cox made a small incision in his Koi Babe which discharged copious fluid.

http://www.koi-bito.com/forum/main-forum/1961-strip-not-strip-eggs-3.html

If she survives anesthetizing ? I will aspirate first and should that prove fruitful an incision will follow.

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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by DaveB on Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:30 am

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I cannot remember what the exact size of the needle was other than it was shaped in a half circle approximately 1.5 " diameter with 2' lenth of suture attached. There was no eye in the needle a very nice smooth finish between suture and needle.

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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by Admin on Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:55 am

DaveB wrote:Mio

I cannot remember what the exact size of the needle was other than it was shaped in a half circle approximately 1.5 " diameter with 2' lenth of suture attached. There was no eye in the needle a very nice smooth finish between suture and needle.

Best Regards Dave

After lengthy research Rolling Eyes like I do Rolling Eyes

The monofilament suture size recommended for small to medium fish her length is 2/0 or 3/0 with `Ethilon`or Monocryl having the most efficient profiles.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:-9YHXiezeVUJ:www.pnl.gov/main/publications/external/technical_reports/PNNL-18010.pdf+what+size+suture+for+koi&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESirIkedARUffirRuX-OyRjwvhtRREbe0-4EaUJHkmaX6fuIrNwcOsbkupCAkcEWZ9BkIkdIOn20znbEZIBQ-NhaC27dF2LqG2Ftcur69LRiZFqRolPZYmHklWd3Vyci4y7WAo8r&sig=AHIEtbSNeuZPEGfrCXG073qTkEyTMZe0fA

http://www.farlamedical.co.uk/category_Ethilon-Suture/Ethilon-2-0-100cm-Black-Ethicon-Suture-12pk/

A dissecting kit should contain everything else I need to complete the task ... NOT looking forward to this at all !

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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by DaveB on Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:11 am

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I hope you have someone to help you, even if it is omly to take the photos which I look forward to seeing.Good luck

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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by Admin on Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:33 am

Very Cloudy and grey here today and I had visitors and needed to fast her for at least 24 hrs Rolling Eyes hence nothing has gone to plan re the procedure... and I still don`t have the `Suture` kit.

I don`t want to sedate her repeatedly in her condition unless I have no other choice ... Crying or Very sad


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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by Admin on Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:26 pm

I sedated examined and aspirated some fluid from her abdomen which was clear.

Her Gills are very healthy looking not indicating anemia as yet but there was bleeding from the Anal Vent when pressure was applied Crying or Very sad but no sign of infection.

If she is still alive tomorrow I might go ahead with an incision just to see what`s going on before I resort to euthanasia. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad poor love.


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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by Admin on Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:40 am

Still waiting for the `suture kit` and she is still alive but not swimming around like the others. Crying or Very sad


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Post Surgery Suturing video

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Abdominal Tumour!

Post by Admin on Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:10 am

I had hoped the Swelling was a simple cyst which would respond to aspirating via a small incision and could wait no longer for the sutures from the Medical company who had to order the size 2/0 monofilament monocryl kit Rolling Eyes so i threw myself at the mercy of my vet receptionist who took an hour to persuade one of the many Veterinarians there to sell me a single kit. Rolling Eyes

The incision yielded copious clear fluid but the hardness of the lumps confirmed the diagnosis with a large fatty Tumour encasing several organs which I would not have been able to free Crying or Very sad

During the initial aspiration of fluid she recovered quickly and the other Babes kept nudging her to reassure her and check she was alright Crying or Very sad



Euthanasia followed the brief operation..... Crying or Very sad

Anethesia prior to procedure Arrow



Clear fluid Arrow



Tumour had encased several Organs causing bleeding from the Anal Vent.








Poor Love we will miss her Crying or Very sad

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Re: Ready Made Sutures ?

Post by HAN on Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:14 am

Thank you for posting pics of her ordeal chi.

hey you gave it your all, and i`m sorry she didn`t make it. Crying or Very sad
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