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Post by pondy on Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:46 am

whilst i was at the Essex show i overheard a conversation about a koi and the answer was "well in next years shows i would have thrown it out of the competetion because at some point it has been tampered with" curious to see what this was about i looked at the koi in question and couldnt see anything wrong with it.

I was told when chatting to the show Judges there that as part of the rules if a koi is deemed to have been cosmetically enhanced it should be removed from the show. but up to now this rule hasnt really been enforced. It seems that if a tancho has a nice round spot at some time that koi would have been cut or enhanced by the breeder or whom ever and if the judges think this then as far as DEFRA or the RSPCA are concerned that is good enough.

i pointed out that this would remove 90% of tancho's out of competitions to which the judge replied yes maybe more, and most mauratans and any other koi with interesting head patterns etc.

i spoke further with a group of Judges and they said yes that in 2012 they probably would be enforcing this rule alot more stringently.

so now im in a dilema do i go through all the hard work of taking my koi to shows with the possibility of them being knocked out of the competition because of something that may have been done when the koi was a fry?... i dont think so.

this could potentially bring a hobby which is on its knees already even further down. i wonder if every koi i buy from now on could have a certificate from the breeder saying that it has never ever been tampered with, i.e. the spot or pattern or any other pec trim etc.

what are your thoughts?
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Re: cosmetically enhanced

Post by Admin on Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:59 am

Checkout this Thread Lau ... IF you have not already Sweetie.

http://www.themtherekoyas.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=588&start=50

Tateshita are not routinely `Surgically` Enhanced .. well at least not in Japan ... The Practice is confined to Tategoi who are usually Tosai or older and already beautiful...

Carried out expertly It should not be noticable.. and I agree with you ...Paranoia could provoke wild accusations substantiated or otherwise.

Outside of Japan I doubt many have the `surgical` skills to attempt Cosmetic Surgery to an equivalent degree .. or would risk botching the job on an expensive Koi.

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Post by HAN on Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:58 am

Certainly not in the UK Chi , agreed.

Dealers , adventurous enough might attempt a touch up on their own Koi , for a show maybe, but I doubt they would risk a procedure on any koi of significant monetary value.
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Post by Admin on Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:11 pm

The only Member I can recall surgically enhancing a `Tancho` spot is Ethan of Koiphen.

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?99533-Ginrin-Tancho-Showa-Tosai-5-quot-Jirosuke
http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?103077-Ginrin-tancho-showa-Heart-shaped-tancho

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Re: cosmetically enhanced

Post by DaveB on Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:52 am

Mio I have been informed that the japanese constantly cosmetically enhance koi at a very early age and onwards. This too goes on in this country.to a lesser degree ( a few who who are in the show curcuit. Do) I also know that changing shapes of fins and removing shimmies is fairly common in this country within the show curciut .Personally I do not believe in such practices, believing the risks of infection are not worth it. ( and not too crytical anyway), then again I do not show my koi. I did in the past,but of later believe the koi are for my enjoyment alone. ( they are probably classed as old dogs now anyway) A bit like me really.

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Post by Admin on Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:59 am

DaveB wrote:Mio I have been informed that the japanese constantly cosmetically enhance koi at a very early age and onwards. This too goes on in this country.to a lesser degree ( a few who who are in the show curcuit. Do) I also know that changing shapes of fins and removing shimmies is fairly common in this country within the show curciut .Personally I do not believe in such practices, believing the risks of infection are not worth it. ( and not too crytical anyway), then again I do not show my koi. I did in the past,but of later believe the koi are for my enjoyment alone. ( they are probably classed as old dogs now anyway) A bit like me really.

Best Regards Dave

I disdain the practice too Dave ... and I wasn`t aware many in the UK performed cosmetic surgery other than shimmie removal which I know is common.

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