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Post by nmtsaki on Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:15 am

Yes, I think that's why Nikon are making theirs differently; not only for better optics, but also so you can't buy a cheaper, off-brand replacement. I do much prefer Nikon optics, though. Very Happy We have a new Nikon scope in the clinical lab, and it is a beauty!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Admin on Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:28 am

nmtsaki wrote:Yes, I think that's why Nikon are making theirs differently; not only for better optics, but also so you can't buy a cheaper, off-brand replacement. I do much prefer Nikon optics, though. Very Happy We have a new Nikon scope in the clinical lab, and it is a beauty!!!!!!!!!

Beam me over there Pleaaaaase Laughing

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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by nmtsaki on Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:26 am

beaming away! Very Happy Very Happy alien
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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by alank on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:00 am

Today we caught 2 koi that required attention to small wounds on their sides. The first was a large scale (20 mm across) that had become damaged and was hanging off and becoming inflamed. After removing the scale, cleaning and adding Koi Clear, I took a scrape. To my dismay OI found 5 trichodina. This is probably due to my having dirty water for the last 5 or 6 weeks.

On top of this, I found one white spot in the tomite stage. I am not sure what I should treat first. If I go for the trich with PP, this will be a quick treatment and should also weaken the whitespot.

The second koi had 5 scales removed, cleaned up and treated with koi clear. A scrape and gill snip on this koi revealed nothing.

What do you guys advise for treatment?

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Post by Admin on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:15 am

alank wrote:Today we caught 2 koi that required attention to small wounds on their sides. The first was a large scale (20 mm across) that had become damaged and was hanging off and becoming inflamed. After removing the scale, cleaning and adding Koi Clear, I took a scrape. To my dismay OI found 5 trichodina. This is probably due to my having dirty water for the last 5 or 6 weeks.

On top of this, I found one white spot in the tomite stage. I am not sure what I should treat first. If I go for the trich with PP, this will be a quick treatment and should also weaken the whitespot.

The second koi had 5 scales removed, cleaned up and treated with koi clear. A scrape and gill snip on this koi revealed nothing.

What do you guys advise for treatment?

Firstly Trich can hole up anywhere Alan ... don`t beat yourself up about it .. Secondly I doubt you found an ICH tomite on the Koi Babe .. more likely Paramecium or Tetrahymena if it was not an ICH Trophont.

PP at 1.5 gram per ton (220 galls) or 450 mv ORP at your PH ... which will achieve a better killing effect.

Prior to doing that Sweetie I suggest you add copious extra `Air` tonight and continue until treatment is spent.

You want at least a 4 hour therapeutic Pink/Purple duration time.

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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by alank on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:30 am

We found 5 of these on the same slide, one was whizzing around like a mad thing, the others were stationary after about 10 minutes of scanning.

Also one of these which in Duncan Griffiths book is a whitespot tomite stage.


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Post by Admin on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:36 am

No Sweetie ...

That is Tetrahymena .... CATEGORICALLY trust me...and NOT an ICH Tomite ... Note the Hedgehog snout and Dodgem type movement Alan Smile Smile look again at the Tetrahymena Thread ...

Wherever there is a wound or Damaged area upon the Phish ... Tetra and Paramecium congregate .. moreso Post Mortem ...

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Post by alank on Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:01 am

Thanks MiO, I will add PP tomorrow morning. After turning brow, should I add HP. I have to catch my sturgeon before treatment, I can keep it in a small tank for a day or so but would like to get it back in the pond asap. If I treat with HP, how much should I use?

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Post by Admin on Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:31 am

alank wrote:Thanks MiO, I will add PP tomorrow morning. After turning brow, should I add HP. I have to catch my sturgeon before treatment, I can keep it in a small tank for a day or so but would like to get it back in the pond asap. If I treat with HP, how much should I use?

Sorry Alan ... I had forgotten you had a Sturgeon Sweetie...

Did you treat him when you removed him to MG&F ?

IF Not .. he is almost certainly the cause of this latest infection.

Removing the Sturgeon as you did previously Alan will pose a re-infection risk unless you treat him every time.

You successfully Eradicated the in situ Parasites with the FMG/Salt combo but upon reintroduction of the Sturgeon ... cross contaminated...

I did this myself with my own Sterlet several times until finally I had to give him his own QT alone ... Not as terrible as it sound truly because these are `Solitary` Species unless mating.

Remove him during treatment .. then SALT DIP him prior to reintroducing him.

Do you have Sensafe Chlorine test strips Alan ? you can use these to monitor the PP throughout via Roddy`s instructions on how to do so here.

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?107824-Measuring-potassium-permanganate-by-colorimeters?s=

Dechlor is safer than HP IF you need to neutralise ...otherwise monitor the values closely over the 4 hours and allow these to burn out safely on their own..

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Post by alank on Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:51 am

No, he was not treated as I was advised he would not carry the parasites as the skin is very hard????

How strong and how long for the salt dip?

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Post by Admin on Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:16 am

alank wrote:No, he was not treated as I was advised he would not carry the parasites as the skin is very hard????

How strong and how long for the salt dip?

Nonsense Alan ...

He has Gills structurally similar to other Fish.

IF you have non-contaminated QT ie a temp pool etc where you can house him then Salt Dip him at 3% until he rolls over ... mine coped with 20 minutes plus .. others more and some less ...

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vm007

http://www.sturgeon-web.co.uk/treatments.php

If the QT you have might be infected then Salt Dip him prior to re-introduction..

Do please let us know how they fayre ... you must be very fed up by now Sweetie .. believe me I have been there many times..

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:03 am

How are they now Alan ?

Were you able to get any of the treatments done Sweetie ?

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Post by alank on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:16 am

Yes thanks Mio, PP went well as did salt treatment on the sturgeon. All are back in the pond and feeding. I will do a scrape later this week.

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:24 am

alank wrote:Yes thanks Mio, PP went well as did salt treatment on the sturgeon. All are back in the pond and feeding. I will do a scrape later this week.

Did you maintain the `Pink/Purple` therapeutic colour for at least 4 hours Alan ?

And how did the testing go ?

Might be worth scoping the RDF residue now to see if it is capturing any of the expelled critters.

Pleased to hear it went smoothly Sweetie......... Very Happy

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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by yakuzakoi on Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:27 am

those are cool videos of tric, my goldfish had it.

I got rid of it with fmg.

Hope your koi are ok now mate.
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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by alank on Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:26 am

They are enjoying the warmth today. Skip to 3.07


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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:41 am

Looks like they `sailed` through the PP Sweetie Very Happy

Water looks fab .. as do the Phish Alan Cool hope your Lurgy woes are finally over and you can simply kick back now and `ENJOY` the Koi !

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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by Admin on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:44 pm

How are the Koi Babes and Sturgeon now Alan?

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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by alank on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:54 pm

Hi Mio, all are fine, bar one. The one we found the trich on is doing a lot of jumping, I assume its the wound near the tail which we operated on. A large scale was damaged and hanging off and there was other damage in the area, I think it had flashed on the window top to get the damage when it had trich. I sorted the wound and applied Koi clear, maybe it has some irritation still. I will net it again over the weekend and do another scrape just to be sure.

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Post by Admin on Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:09 pm

If you have to sedate him again Alan ... a tiny `Gill Snip` might be a good idea.

Mine jumped like crazy when they had Flukes and Tric .. and Mad Kohaku Hannibal would not leave his wound alone but flashed it on everything he could aim it at Rolling Eyes

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Re: TRICHODINA

Post by alank on Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:47 am

I did a gill snip on another koi we operated on.


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Post by Admin on Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:06 am

I`ll take a good look at these later Alan .... Too `HOT`to stay in doors atm.

Not sure about the `Dark` Spots but all I could see moving were blood cells in the brief view I`ve had of them so far.

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Post by Admin on Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:57 am

Your Videos Alan Twisted Evil

The scanning was too quick for me to look long enough at anything dubious to identify.

Sloooooow the scanning down to a crawl if possible next time please Sweetie.

The flowing red river etc was blood cells Alan...

If I could have looked at it in movie maker and been able to pause it that would be the better option .. but `Real Player` downloads won`t import into there.

Fish Blood Cells phlowing Laughing Arrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2qS8Ti0gcg&feature=related

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Post by alank on Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:48 am

Mio, I am happy there was nothing on the slide to worry about. I can spot a parasite at the speed shown quite easily. The video is just a snip of the whole scan which I did without video.

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Post by Admin on Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:41 pm

I like those LCD Scopes Alan > http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=led+microscope#q=lcd+microscope&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=X4mFTsOFB6W20QW76cHrDw&sqi=2&ved=0CHAQrQQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=debae3293bcc4274&biw=1280&bih=709

The video clarity is better than my USB Scopecam.

Manganese Oxide the brown precipitate PP residue can sometimes stick to Gills following treatment.

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