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Post by DaveB on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:09 pm

Mio it must tell you what the units are on the meter ie KW and if there is a point somewwhere. Is it digital or the old analog. Give us a photo if possible. The fgures ou show us cannot be kwhrs for 24 hores sor perhaps are 0.1 or possibly 0.01 giving 13.82 kw hrs for 12 hours which is about what I am using.

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Post by Admin on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:25 pm

DaveB wrote:Mio it must tell you what the units are on the meter ie KW and if there is a point somewwhere. Is it digital or the old analog. Give us a photo if possible. The fgures ou show us cannot be kwhrs for 24 hores sor perhaps are 0.1 or possibly 0.01 giving 13.82 kw hrs for 12 hours which is about what I am using.

It`s this meter Dave and states KW Arrow

http://universalmeterservices.co.uk/store/images/ACE1000.pdf

I don`t see a `point` separating the figures but my builder (here plumbing the new Bath suite yesterday) suggested 114 units = £2 scratch

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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by DaveB on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:50 pm

I looked at you link and it looks likes the red figure is 0.1 kwh. so 114 is in fact 11.4 kwh. and will cost you 11.4x 10p ( depending upon price)which =£1.14 + vat So if you used 138.2 kwh in 24 hours that is a wopping £13.82 per day. Hope this makes sense

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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:11 am

DaveB wrote:I looked at you link and it looks likes the red figure is 0.1 kwh. so 114 is in fact 11.4 kwh. and will cost you 11.4x 10p ( depending upon price)which =£1.14 + vat So if you used 138.2 kwh in 24 hours that is a wopping £13.82 per day. Hope this makes sense

That sounds about right Dave given the £997 quarterly electricity bill for June through September affraid

It defies logic given I have lowered the Koi Vat Thermo and decommissioned the heater in the WLP altogether affraid

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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by DaveB on Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:26 am

Mio a bill of £997 per month is an average of £10 per day after standard charge which would give you 100kw hours per day which is the same as running a 4kw heater 24 hours per day or running a 6 kw heater for 16 hours per day The 6 kw heater wont have to be on for too long together with every thing else to clock up those Kwhrs. If you are using say more than me average 1kwhr and a further 0.5 kw on the house( no electric fires on) the 1.5kw per day will cost you £3.60 per day . Stick your 6 kw heater on for 10 hours and you are up to £997 per month. I would be interesed to see what you are using without the 6kw heater through 24 hours. If not possible try 12 hours and then we can pssibly work out whats happening

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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:41 am

DaveB wrote:Mio a bill of £997 per month is an average of £10 per day after standard charge which would give you 100kw hours per day which is the same as running a 4kw heater 24 hours per day or running a 6 kw heater for 16 hours per day The 6 kw heater wont have to be on for too long together with every thing else to clock up those Kwhrs. If you are using say more than me average 1kwhr and a further 0.5 kw on the house( no electric fires on) the 1.5kw per day will cost you £3.60 per day . Stick your 6 kw heater on for 10 hours and you are up to £997 per month. I would be interesed to see what you are using without the 6kw heater through 24 hours. If not possible try 12 hours and then we can pssibly work out whats happening

£997 was `quarterly` Dave not monthly although there was £200 Gas charges on top of that for the Summer Quarter affraid

Overnight was the 114 units which must be the Pond equipment with little else on besides that.

I heat the Tropical Aquarium too Crying or Very sad


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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by DaveB on Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:19 am

Sorry Mio I did work that out as quarterly not monthly and subtracted £90 for a standarrd charge of £30 per month but this could be less.
here is a list of my consumption for pond & home
main pump..... 172
Main uv........... 32
Hiblow 1............28
hiblow 2.............74
Skimmer...........128w
BB pump...........172
BB uv.................30
Total energy cost(running continuous for pond 636 watts

Household appliances
electric fire...........3 kw
cooker hob & oven...... 9kw
electric shower........... 9 kw
Dishwasher............... 1.09 kw
washing m/c........0.74kw
Fridge .......0.6kw
Freezer.....0.76
TV/sky/DVD............ 2.24kw
As these do not run continous it is difficult to know what they are using throughout 24 hours, however the plug in meter also reads kwhrs so can be used on each appliance throughout 24 hours and get quite a accurate reading if needed. You will definately know if you are watching too much TV.LOL I also have a OWL type energy meter which reads remotely what the total consumption , which is generally between 1 & 1.5 kw depending upon what appliances are running . This is of coarse been a lot less since installing solar power.Hope this is of interest

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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:04 am

The 3KWT Elecro @ 38p per hour (allegedly) combined with the pumps/air etc should cost approx £5 per night and not £13 affraid

I only see it on at night ?

http://www.ukpoolstore.co.uk/acatalog/UKPS-What-is-a-Kilo-watt.pdf

I`m being charged approx 12p per unit average ? but unsure whether the `RED` digit to the right of the Meter reading is equal to a whole unit OR not Dave ?

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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by DaveB on Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:19 am

Admin wrote:The 3KWT Elecro @ 38p per hour (allegedly) combined with the pumps/air etc should cost approx £5 per night and not £13 affraid

I only see it on at night ?

http://www.ukpoolstore.co.uk/acatalog/UKPS-What-is-a-Kilo-watt.pdf

I`m being charged approx 12p per unit average ? but unsure whether the `RED` digit to the right of the Meter reading is equal to a whole unit OR not Dave ?
The red digit to the right is 1/10th a KWh ( magnify the picture to see this clearly)so when submitting your meter reading make sure you leave this off.
Mio if you are being charged 12p per kwh . I based my calculations on 10p per kwh for ease of calculating. For every 1kw you will be charged 12p for every hour it is on. If continous then a 3 kw heter will be 3x12p= 36p so they are correct in there assumption.
So if this 3 kw heater bis on 8 hours overnight= £2.88 So I agree unless you are using anything else ie aquarium heaters, then yes you should be using about £5.00 per night ie 42 kwhr per night not 114

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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:40 am

The Aquarium Heater 300 watt kicks in intermittently Dave because room temps approx 21C offset the 25C the thermo is set at.

I bought the multi switch adapter to assess everything using electricity individually and will try to determine from that what is consuming the excess ..

F-Born has an `electric` Blanket which he bought for his Girlfriend which is `ECO` allegedly and only uses pennies per night ???????

hmm .. not sure about that ?

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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by DaveB on Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:54 am

Admin wrote:The Aquarium Heater 300 watt kicks in intermittently Dave because room temps approx 21C offset the 25C the thermo is set at.

I bought the multi switch adapter to assess everything using electricity individually and will try to determine from that what is consuming the excess ..
F-Born has an `electric` Blanket which he bought for his Girlfriend which is `ECO` allegedly and only uses pennies per night ???????

hmm .. not sure about that ?
This type of switch is no good for using the meter I mentioned as it requres plugs.( ideal for home appliances) Perhaps your owl will do the trick if you can wrap the sensor around each wire ( mesures magnetic flux) Not sure if it does but it will need to clock up Kwhrs ( measure equipment that runs intermittently) rather than just give an instantanous reading. I have a similar meter, but does not have this facility. I therfore use the plug in meter for exactly that.Hope this makes sense

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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:44 am

It does measure individual appliance usage Dave >
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190584655626&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:1123

And the Pond heater feeds back to the house as does the pump etc confused

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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by Admin on Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:20 pm

Well November Temps thus far have been very mild Very Happy

The Koi are still @ 16.1C and the WLP Goldies have risen back up to 15C without heat Very Happy despite the copious `Air` Cool

I Hope all our Fishy Babes have a `Short` Winter to contend with this year Very Happy

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:02 pm

Koi Show Vat Temps have dipped slightly down to 15.9C ...

Lovely Sunny Day otherwise here in the Welsh Tundra ... if a tad cold Very Happy

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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:33 pm

Koi back up to 16C despite the slight chill in ambient air Temps Very Happy

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Post by Admin on Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:07 pm

Glorious sunny Day here in the `Welsh Tundra` today and Ambient Temps are expected to hike back up to 15C tomorrow Very Happy

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Re: Pond Temps?

Post by DaveB on Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:18 pm

Same forcast here. solar panels have kicked in already and the sun is shining on the other roof I hope Alank is making progress with his panels.
My pond is still at 14 degs C and as yet not using all of the 2 hours on the timer ( cutting out on thermostat). I am still looking at ASHP as a supplement to heatingthe pond in the summer. ie 35HS-a model which has a COP of 4.6 at 15 degC air temp for only 700w. I could run this on a timer to come on when panels are producing more than 2kw

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Post by Admin on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:42 am

DaveB wrote:Same forcast here. solar panels have kicked in already and the sun is shining on the other roof I hope Alank is making progress with his panels.
My pond is still at 14 degs C and as yet not using all of the 2 hours on the timer ( cutting out on thermostat). I am still looking at ASHP as a supplement to heatingthe pond in the summer. ie 35HS-a model which has a COP of 4.6 at 15 degC air temp for only 700w. I could run this on a timer to come on when panels are producing more than 2kw

How about this `Toshiba` Model Dave > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-5Kw-12-000-btu-Air-Source-Heat-Pump-ASHP-Heater-/180706164879?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&hash=item2a12ed408f#ht_958wt_952

Koi Babes back up to 16.5C this afternoon Very Happy

Vat full to overflowing almost due to the previous days `copious Rain` Twisted Evil with 9ppm KH which should increase overnight via the tiny trickle .

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Post by Admin on Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:25 am

A Tad Cloudy today but very Mild Very Happy

WLP @ 14C with the 2 KH dh they had last week due to the Solar Cover holding the Copious Rain atop it instead of letting it in Very Happy

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Post by DaveB on Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:20 am

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DaveB wrote:Same forcast here. solar panels have kicked in already and the sun is shining on the other roof I hope Alank is making progress with his panels.
My pond is still at 14 degs C and as yet not using all of the 2 hours on the timer ( cutting out on thermostat). I am still looking at ASHP as a supplement to heatingthe pond in the summer. ie 35HS-a model which has a COP of 4.6 at 15 degC air temp for only 700w. I could run this on a timer to come on when panels are producing more than 2kw

How about this `Toshiba` Model Dave > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-5Kw-12-000-btu-Air-Source-Heat-Pump-ASHP-Heater-/180706164879?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&hash=item2a12ed408f#ht_958wt_952

Koi Babes back up to 16.5C this afternoon Very Happy

Vat full to overflowing almost due to the previous days `copious Rain` Twisted Evil with 9ppm KH which should increase overnight via the tiny trickle .
Mio Nice little unit However it is more in the line of a swimmingpool heat pump( air to water) rather than this home unit which is air to air heat pump. Nice price though and would be ideal for heating an indoor quarinteen system where heating the surrounding air rather than the water to reduce condensation would be benificial

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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:40 pm

Morning Guys Very Happy

Koi Vat Temps have dipped a touch to 15.5C but it was bitterly cold overnight ...
Ambient Air 13C and should get a little higher later .....

All-in-All great Temps for November Very Happy

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Post by DaveB on Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:48 pm

Mio
We have all been very lucky compaired to this time last year. Anyone heard of any long term weather forcasts. Although I don,t have great faith in them anyway

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:46 pm

Sun just popped out briefly here in the Welsh Tundra .... man did it pour down yesterday Shocked

Vat Full to almost overflowing but Temps back up to 16.5C .... YIPPIE Very Happy

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Post by DaveB on Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:13 am

Admins wrote:Sun just popped out briefly here in the Welsh Tundra .... man did it pour down yesterday Shocked

Vat Full to almost overflowing but Temps back up to 16.5C .... YIPPIE Very Happy
Amazing temps for unheated pond at this time of year. may it long continue

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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:22 am

DaveB wrote:
Admins wrote:Sun just popped out briefly here in the Welsh Tundra .... man did it pour down yesterday Shocked

Vat Full to almost overflowing but Temps back up to 16.5C .... YIPPIE Very Happy
Amazing temps for unheated pond at this time of year. may it long continue

The Unheated WLP is back up to 14.6C Dave Very Happy

The Vat is `Heated` but no longer that high ....

Thermo set to only 13C atm but the Temps are making 16.5C Very Happy

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