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Post by DaveB on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:17 pm

Just done a few scrapes prior to treating koi for flukes with chloramine T. Just to complicate matters I have foound what can be only discribed as dead Whitespot, but not sure of the size ( these are similar to tric, fills the lense at 400x) I cannot make out the classic white horseshoe or focus on anything really. There is also no movement or the appearance of boiling inside so not sure what it is really.I have looked at the video links and there is some resemblance to the second one, but no movement. I have found 2 or 3 on each koi Perhaps I have had a few problems in the past and these have been killed using combat which is supposed to lower levels of protozoa. There is definately no signs of sprinkled salt on the koi.Your thoughts would be appreciated. Best REgards Dave

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Post by Admin on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:32 pm

DaveB wrote:Just done a few scrapes prior to treating koi for flukes with chloramine T. Just to complicate matters I have foound what can be only discribed as dead Whitespot, but not sure of the size ( these are similar to tric, fills the lense at 400x) I cannot make out the classic white horseshoe or focus on anything really. There is also no movement or the appearance of boiling inside so not sure what it is really.I have looked at the video links and there is some resemblance to the second one, but no movement. I have found 2 or 3 on each koi Perhaps I have had a few problems in the past and these have been killed using combat which is supposed to lower levels of protozoa. There is definately no signs of sprinkled salt on the koi.Your thoughts would be appreciated. Best REgards Dave

A pic of the critter would be perfect Dave .....

Mobile phones work very well in this regard .... If you could take one ... I can confirm whether this is Ich or not ....

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Post by DaveB on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:16 pm

Photobuckets down for maintenance at the moment, as soon as it is up and running I will upload a few pictures

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Post by Admin on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:18 pm

DaveB wrote:Photobuckets down for maintenance at the moment, as soon as it is up and running I will upload a few pictures

Dave ... email them to me as attachments in the meantime Sweetie ...

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Post by Admin on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:18 pm

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DaveB wrote:Photobuckets down for maintenance at the moment, as soon as it is up and running I will upload a few pictures

Dave ... email them to me as attachments in the meantime Sweetie ...

Movement would confirm Ich Dave ...

There are other Critters I have encountered such as Brown Algal Species which look similar to your pics ...

That said .... the fact that you scraped them off the Koi Babes and the obvious dense cilia would suggest Ich to me ...

They tolerate salt poorly .. and in combo with Combat would explain the deaths ...

More pics at greater magnification would be appreciated ....

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Post by DaveB on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:53 pm

Mio two of the pictures are at 400x that is why I now think they are too small to be white spot.They seem to be too symetrical.Definately no movement inside or anywhere else. I will try and get some more photos and go up to 800x

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Post by Admin on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:58 pm

DaveB wrote:Mio two of the pictures are at 400x that is why I now think they are too small to be white spot.They seem to be too symetrical.Definately no movement inside or anywhere else. I will try and get some more photos and go up to 800x

Whitespot at Juvenile sizes are that small Dave ... The cyst sizes vary ....

A Mature Trophont though would fill the screen at 400X magnification ...

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Post by Admin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:33 am

Dave ..

If none were any bigger than those in your pics ... they could be Algal Spores such as Volvox etc >

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=volvox+images&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iXLkT4PzA4mS8gOM78mdCg&ved=0CHMQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=709#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=volvox+spore+images&oq=volvox+spore+images&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=img.3...95093.96611.0.97292.6.6.0.0.0.0.97.534.6.6.0...0.0.LwOVVHYQiq4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=fe65aa268b09139d&biw=1280&bih=709

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=volvox+images&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iXLkT4PzA4mS8gOM78mdCg&ved=0CHMQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=709#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=freshwater+golden+algae++images&oq=freshwater+golden+algae++images&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=img.3...18643.20928.5.21390.11.11.0.0.0.0.157.1060.9j2.11.0...0.0.SW0KtPUNJB8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=fe65aa268b09139d&biw=1280&bih=709

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Post by DaveB on Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:48 am

Thanks for the link. They seem to be what I am looking at only time will tell. I have decided to go ahead with the CT as Duncan has confirmed what you said if it aint moving then its not Ich dead or otherwise. I did treat with pp about 2 weeks ago and as these are a similar size to tric then maybe its the remains of these.perhaps I am worrying too much as once I dose with CT then I have to wait a week before using anyother treatment. ?? But not too sure about using Formalyn and Salt anyway, Some say it is Ok others definately no way.

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Post by Admin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:55 am

DaveB wrote:Thanks for the link. They seem to be what I am looking at only time will tell. I have decided to go ahead with the CT as Duncan has confirmed what you said if it aint moving then its not Ich dead or otherwise. I did treat with pp about 2 weeks ago and as these are a similar size to tric then maybe its the remains of these.perhaps I am worrying too much as once I dose with CT then I have to wait a week before using anyother treatment. ?? But not too sure about using Formalyn and Salt anyway, Some say it is Ok others definately no way.

It`s definitly NOT Trich Dave ... Dead Algae due to the salinity is the most likely candidate at that size IMO ...

Fret not Sweetie ... Dead Critters are not a problem ....

Let us know how the CT Protocol goes and try to distract yourself from the issues meanwhile ....

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Re: Dead Whitespot

Post by Admin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:58 am

Volvox Video Clip >

http://www.fotosearch.com/ATB272/mc136/


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Post by Admin on Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:38 am

Dave ... Very Happy

I had so much Phun Laughing partaking in this thread ... and why I mentioned ICK/ICH/WHITESPOT Trophont variances in size observed in Dusty`s clips ...

Once Video footage had been provided .. ie `Movement` of said Critter .. Diagnosis was blatantly obvious to me despite my reluctance to do so earlier in that thread ....


http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?111515-Help-to-find-the-cause-Flashing-others./page3

I Loved Posting there and made myriad Friends whilst doing so ....

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