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Post by DaveB on Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:55 pm

here is o list of treatments I can remember which have I used ,latest first.I am sure there are many more

CLBA 3 days ago

Ecopure Gold 1 years

CLBA 2 years

Zinc oxide 1 year

Ecopure togehther with pond balance, did not work

Clarosan 4 years

Salt.

Pond balance

In order of preference CLBA & Ecopure Gold has been the best products by far. All other products required 2 or 3 doses per year. The blanketweed seemed to gain an amunity to Clarosan and afer about 3 or 4 year requred dosing every 6 weeks.

As all things are not created equal it is safe to say that my water keeping techniques are much better of late. ie Less nutrients feeding the blanketweed.So perhaps that is why the CLBA & Ecopure Gold work much better than the products of earlier time. Intersesting the CLBA has had much less effect on the koi since stop using Revearse Osmosis. Not sure why, perhaps due to slightly higher p.H.

Ecopure Gold actually worked for 2 seasons, but in fairness I was using RO for the first season, it is only since I stopped that it has eventually returned.Your comments are much appreciated

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:04 pm

I have tried a few different products too Dave and all had some impact but Cloverleaf was the most effective.

Salt had the least impact Rolling Eyes and Barley straw extract was the second most efficient.

Algas can build immunity to both salt and other chemicals so `Rotating` treatments might prevent that.

I had to dose CLBA twice in order to eliminate the Blanket Weed in my QT last time I used it 2 yrs ago.

The Koi Babes Vat has been salted to varying degrees due to `Cycling` which has had some impact upon Blanketweed development but not halted it altogether.

Zinc /Copper etc as you know is more potent at low alkalinity as well as low PH.

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Re: Blanketweed treatments old & new

Post by DaveB on Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:52 pm

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Is there any truth in that Barley straw gives off hydrogen peroxide and what is its effect directly on other parameters including p.H. and TDS. I have found that CLBA and Ecopuregold has little or no effect directly on these parameters. However there is as I would expect a reduction in p.H. as the blankweed stops photosythasing.

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:17 pm

DaveB wrote:Mio

Is there any truth in that Barley straw gives off hydrogen peroxide and what is its effect directly on other parameters including p.H. and TDS. I have found that CLBA and Ecopuregold has little or no effect directly on these parameters. However there is as I would expect a reduction in p.H. as the blankweed stops photosythasing.

The by product from decomposition of barley straw extract is H202 Dave but it`s release is too slow to impact parameters imo.

CLBA did slightly lower my PH but increased the TDS by 50 ... and prevented the PH from hiking back up to 10 by eliminating the BW thereby ceasing photosynthsis which impacts DO.

Interestingly ... the `Green` Water in my QT was several shades paler due to the .6% salinity than it otherwise would be in non saline conditions ... an explanation here.

Salted QT Question http://mio-chichi.forumotion.co.uk/t31-green-water-qt

http://adatbank.transindex.ro/vendeg/htmlk/pdf5635.pdf



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Re: Blanketweed treatments old & new

Post by DaveB on Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:44 pm

When mixing CLBA I have just been mixing it with pond water and pouring it in along the sides. I am just wondering why it is not disolving into the water and making no difference to TDS??. Even so it still seems to work, but perhaps takes a little bit longer.

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:50 pm

DaveB wrote:When mixing CLBA I have just been mixing it with pond water and pouring it in along the sides. I am just wondering why it is not disolving into the water and making no difference to TDS??. Even so it still seems to work, but perhaps takes a little bit longer.

I always mixed mine with warm water and a whisk Dave ... it took a while for the TDS to increase but it did by 50ppm.

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Re: Blanketweed treatments old & new

Post by DaveB on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:04 pm

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When you say a while can you be more specific. I know the instructions say not to change any water during the treatment. However I have still trickled in 24/7, I have even backflushed the BB3 and Emptied the vortex as usual. TDS is the same after 3 days. It will be interesting to see if it still works.

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:20 pm

DaveB wrote:Mio

When you say a while can you be more specific. I know the instructions say not to change any water during the treatment. However I have still trickled in 24/7, I have even backflushed the BB3 and Emptied the vortex as usual. TDS is the same after 3 days. It will be interesting to see if it still works.

No Sweetie ...

A while as in the first half hour following application ...

I have not used it for two yrs so don`t have any recent parameter testing data.

I don`t change ANY water for 5 days post application Dave but do remove the dead weed from filters to prevent decomposition by products fueling new growth.

Zinc does not readily dissolve in water so In your case it could be uptake of Zinc is occurring as it becomes available with no measurable excess to increase the TDS.... just my two cents Smile

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Re: Blanketweed treatments old & new

Post by DaveB on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:26 pm

I will keep you posted of developments. In the past it has stopped the blanketweed in its tracks and after about a week it starts dieing back followed by the sides of the pond slowly turning black which continously comes off and is forever floating about. I have treated early this time with the weed only being a few mm long in the hope of preventing too much black gunge floating about.

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Post by Admin on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:01 pm

DaveB wrote:I will keep you posted of developments. In the past it has stopped the blanketweed in its tracks and after about a week it starts dieing back followed by the sides of the pond slowly turning black which continously comes off and is forever floating about. I have treated early this time with the weed only being a few mm long in the hope of preventing too much black gunge floating about.

Those `Black` strips are a total nightmare Dave.. I used to vacuum them off with a hard dusting brush extension.

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Post by DaveB on Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:04 am

I did an interesting experiment ( by accident really) I stsrted using a small container for testing water.Several months after using any treatments. Eventually the side of the container turned black. So I assumed there was still some Zinc oxide in the system even after several months of changing water 24/7/ a min of 25% per week.

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:44 am

DaveB wrote:I did an interesting experiment ( by accident really) I stsrted using a small container for testing water.Several months after using any treatments. Eventually the side of the container turned black. So I assumed there was still some Zinc oxide in the system even after several months of changing water 24/7/ a min of 25% per week.


The only way to be certain is to run the `Zinc` test which a friend of mine did 24 hrs post treatment and found these values to be negligible Dave ...

Enzymes /Minerals etc might continue the process OR inhibit re-growth by their actions.

Slightly OFF TOPIC > Enzyme activity explained > http://www.microtack.com/html/natural_treatment05.htm

CLBA is a combination/blend of both minerals and enzymes.... http://www.cloverleaf.uk.net/Main%20Page.htm

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Post by DaveB on Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:39 am

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DaveB wrote:I did an interesting experiment ( by accident really) I stsrted using a small container for testing water.Several months after using any treatments. Eventually the side of the container turned black. So I assumed there was still some Zinc oxide in the system even after several months of changing water 24/7/ a min of 25% per week.


The only way to be certain is to run the `Zinc` test which a friend of mine did 24 hrs post treatment and found these values to be negligible Dave ...

Enzymes /Minerals etc might continue the process OR inhibit re-growth by their actions.

Slightly OFF TOPIC > Enzyme activity explained > http://www.microtack.com/html/natural_treatment05.htm

CLBA is a combination/blend of both minerals and enzymes.... [url=http://www.cloverleaf.uk.net/Main%20Page.htm
http://www.cloverleaf.uk.net/Main%20Page.htm[/quote[/url]] This would go someway in explaining why it worked much better than just using Zinc oxide on its own. When I used zinc oxide(can't remember the dosage 2ppm seems to ring a bell) I found it required 2 or 3 doses per season depending upon water changes.

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:52 am

Yes Dave ....

Enzymatic activity in CLBA has been attested to do the bulk of the inactivating of the Algal cell wall viability with the Zinc content playing a minor role ...

Possibly this is why trace values only were measurable 24 hrs post application.

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Post by DaveB on Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:39 pm

Mio Thanks for the info. you have eased my mind when using CLBA . I too worried about the zinc oxide content, but until something else comes along?

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Post by Admin on Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:49 pm

DaveB wrote:Mio Thanks for the info. you have eased my mind when using CLBA . I too worried about the zinc oxide content, but until something else comes along?

The others contain `Zinc` too Dave Rolling Eyes It`s just a pity they refuse to include how much in the `Active` Ingredients list.

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